Partial Transcript: So, he’s sitting in here with me to just to see what I do, and what we’re doing, and then he’ll be conducting his own interviews. And I just want to note, you know what, don’t let these questions be like ... these are the questions you have to ask. If you feel you’re going somewhere else totally, that’s totally fine.
Segment Synopsis: Introduction of the interviewer, Darrell Chippeway, and the interviewee, Joshua Dunn. The interviewer sets up the equipment, describes the project, and asks for verbal consent.
Partial Transcript: Let’s see, I was gifted with knowledge that was not from my tribe, but that I feel like I should share. I’ve had a process California acorns, so we did a lot of that at the gathering. They have a little museum there, that has these old like maybe thousand year old grandmother grinding acorn grinding stones...
Segment Synopsis: Dunn discusses and compares the many gatherings he has attended over the years. Dunn describes the gathering he co-organized in California. He also describes the process of acorn preparation, and how intertribal traditions play a big role in California.
Partial Transcript: Our tribe was one of the first to walk the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma and the reservations in modern day Oklahoma, but I was never raised there, I never grew up there. I lived in California for fifteen years in San Francisco, and now I live in Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota.
Segment Synopsis: Dunn says that he is from the Osage Nation, the territory is between the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers; his mother grew up in the State of Missouri, their traditional land; their Tribe was one of the first to walk the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma. Dunn was not raised there; Lived in California for fifteen years, now lives in Standing Rock Northern Reservation. Explains how he got to Standing Rock.
Partial Transcript: I’m working with high school kids who are preparing for college. Helping them to get ready, and you know, requirements, build a school list, you know, edit their essays, that kind of thing.
Segment Synopsis: Interviewer asks about Dunn’s career, which Dunn says that he is working in Education, working with kids preparing for College.
Partial Transcript: In terms of gender, I’m fine with the male box, but I’m not trying too hard to fit into it. I do a lot of stereotypically masculine things, but I also do a lot of stereotypically feminine things. I’m not trying to fit into that box.
Segment Synopsis: Interviewer asks how Dunn identifies themselves today. Dunn explains that he identifies as gay and queer sexually, but identifies mostly as male in terms of gender. Continues discussing the meaning of “queer” to Dunn; reflects on being told that gay and lesbian is more of a binary, whereas queer is not.
Partial Transcript: Well, I don’t really know where to go with that one, but one thing I can say is this is my first time in two and a half years being around more than one other LGBTQ2S person at a time.
Segment Synopsis: Dunn reflects on the difficulty of defining community, and about experiencing different communities at gatehrings, and when living in San Fransisco. Describes the changes in the political spectrum in the community.
Partial Transcript: Well what I liked about the chorus was that was my family for ten years. Those were my brothers and there’s always between two or three hundred of us and you’d always have somebody who could help you...
Segment Synopsis: Dunn addresses getting sober while in San Francisco with gay AA; and recalls his time with the San Francisco gay men’s chorus. Recall native appropriation in the chorus, ultimately why he left.
Partial Transcript: She says “here’s a map of how to get to the Native American Cultural Centre on campus and Dani, who is the associate director, she’s waiting for you”. I almost didn’t go because I was like “well I have been out of this community for so long, I don’t know”.
Segment Synopsis: Dunn reflects on coming out, and growing up away from his tribe. He recalls teenage rebellion and college, and not checking the “identity” boxes on the application. Recalls being invited into the native community on campus.
Partial Transcript: I feel like in Canada, there may be a different understanding of Two-Spirit and maybe it would include somebody like me, but I don’t want to ever claim to be anything I’m not, so I try to be very careful with words.
Segment Synopsis: Dunn reflects on attending first International Two-Spirit Gathering as graduation present. Speaks of understanding his own identity in relation to traditional spiritual context.
Partial Transcript: Yeah. So, okay. So as far as we know, it was the world’s first public two-spirit powwow. There was two-spirit powwows at two-spirit gatherings, getting back to- I don’t even know when. Albert would probably be able to pin point it.
Segment Synopsis: Volunteered at world’s first public two-spirit powwow in San Francisco. Began organizing powwows after that; bigger events ever year. Speaks about effort to make powwow more inclusive, broaden categories, and acknowledge diversity of participants. Describes his own dance and history of participation and learning to dance.
Partial Transcript: I’m at the University of Saskatchewan, actually in Alex Wilson’s program, the two-spirit professor. So it’s a Masters’ of indigenous land based education
Segment Synopsis: Explains he does not know much about family history. Speaks about his current Master’s Program at USask. Returns to discussing evolving gender categories at powwow.